tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post115899946818977583..comments2023-06-02T05:56:55.748-05:00Comments on Love Each Stone: A Reply to Brad Reynolds, Keith Eitel, Paige Patterson & Robin HadawayDavid Rogershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1160373725163334532006-10-09T01:02:00.000-05:002006-10-09T01:02:00.000-05:00m,I think you have some very valid points.m,<BR/><BR/>I think you have some very valid points.David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1160365691214264062006-10-08T22:48:00.000-05:002006-10-08T22:48:00.000-05:00I truly appreciate this response to the Eitel, Pat...I truly appreciate this response to the Eitel, Patterson, Haddaway paper. Many of your rebuttals resonate with me. <BR/><BR/>I wanted to comment briefly on the impact of New Directions in tradional fields of work. I am an MK that grew up in a traditional field. I currently serve in a security 3 area. My parents and their colleagues were very hurt by the New Directions move in the late 90's. Having listened to them and observing the organization during that time I have become convinced that New Directions was not a bad strategic move (in fact it has been great for mobilizing people to the least reached peoples of the world), but it suffered from terrible implementation.<BR/><BR/>Our leadership came to a point where it was very difficult to lead 5,000 employees in multitudinous settings with the old paradigm of leadership and management (which was also influenced by business management trends, that part has not changed). New Directions has enabled this organization to place people in some of the most difficult places to access in the world. In the process there was a major crisis in finances. Choices have to be made regarding where to send new personnel. The traditional places I have been, the national church has had so much exposure to us that they have resorted to the same infighting and bickering that we do in the states. I have seen other organizations that used a healthy exit strategy in the same place and they now have their own sending agencies going to unreached peoples. This illustrates to me that it is high time that we transition out of those locations.<BR/><BR/>Having said that, the method of transition to new directions was very poorly implemented. My parents were among hundreds (possibly thousands)of others that felt that their decades of work were invalidated. Forcing people to changes nations, regions, and job assignments in the twilight of their career was wrong. Anyone who has studied organizational transitions knows that change needs to be made gradually and sensitively. Our organization was anything but that in the traditional areas. They could have left traditional field structures and introduced some of the new ideas gradually. Instead they put everyone into teams regardless of ministry and made everyone focus on a people group. There was a lack of forsight and care involved in this transition. But it is not new or particular to Jerry Rankin. My parents went through 7 paradigm shifts with Board during their tenure. Each time involved a clumsy transition period. OUr innate Western mentality is very results oriented, and each time people want to see change made immediately. <BR/><BR/>It has upset me that so many have been so hurt by the New Directions transition, but I blame the transition implementation not the missiology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159559245673708372006-09-29T14:47:00.000-05:002006-09-29T14:47:00.000-05:00David, Excellent post. I was not an SBC missionar...David, Excellent post. I was not an SBC missionary but was a missionary. I have been SBC all my life. I currently work in SBC missions and work in conjunction with the IMB. I think your critique is dead on. <BR/><BR/>You are so right in saying that more education does not necessarily make a better missionary. An MDIV guarantees nothing but that you have an MDIV. <BR/><BR/>Having worked in advertising it seems like some are using the old advertising tactics we use to employ. Create a problem in the minds of the people(The problem that missionaries are not being taught proper Baptist theology or trained in Baptist missions ideas), then offer a solution. The solution: Come to our seminaries for a full degree ( VS 20 hours for some) and we will train them better. <BR/><BR/>I am all for being well trained in theology and missiology. I am not sure our problem is education. I think our problem is that those in the education industry of the SBC want more control over what is being done in missions and all of SBC life. They feel they know better than the rest of us and therefore should be in control of this aspect of SBC life. <BR/><BR/>I think they offer a great service but when you begin to seek to manipulate things to gain control, I think that is wrong. IMO that is what is happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159476140681448362006-09-28T15:42:00.000-05:002006-09-28T15:42:00.000-05:00David, I understand that you can really only say w...David, <BR/><BR/>I understand that you can really only say what you are saying. It is the "official line." <BR/><BR/>Would it not be better to direct new missionaries to areas that are deemed strategic areas rather than to go to older missionaries who are in the middle of or near the end of their careers and force them to leave the place they have given their lives to serve? <BR/><BR/>My parents place of service is much like where you are at. In the mind of the IMB it is "christian" when you and I know it is not. What would you think if somebody came to you while you were on furlough (remember that term?:)) in Memphis and told you that you must go to the jungles of Peru to reach an unreached tribe or leave the IMB. You cannot go back to field, because of other unreached groups that are out there. (If you can stay where you are, then my parents certainly could haved stayed where they were). <BR/><BR/>My mother is quite outspoken, and spoke against the claim of those who taught New Directions that new churches could be 3 women meeting in a house, that they could have fuzzy doctrine etc... They ran a center that reached many children through all kinds of camps, but becuase it was not a 'church planting' ministry they were told to shut it down. <BR/><BR/>When they resisted, I fully believe the forced reassigment was they way the IMB chose to deal with them. They knew at their age they would not reassign to a jungle.<BR/><BR/>Sorry David, <BR/>Eitel and Patterson are very wrong in their tactics, but some of their claims concerning issues with New Directions are valid. <BR/><BR/>MK<BR/><BR/>I am finished blogging on this. I wish other missionaries would be more vocal about their experiences. Missionaries are some of the godliest and sweetest people I know! <BR/><BR/>Trustees should do exit interviews with all missionaries that left the field in the last 10 years. I think their is an important story to be discovered!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159471495098721512006-09-28T14:24:00.000-05:002006-09-28T14:24:00.000-05:00Torn MK,You make some very good points, for which ...Torn MK,<BR/><BR/>You make some very good points, for which I, in general, have a lot of sympathy. Unfortunately, however, missionary strategy is not an exact science. And, although God's resources are unlimited, the IMB has to deal with budgets and allocations, and sometimes the choices are not at all easy to make. <BR/><BR/>What I do not see here, however, is any kind of "conspiracy," but rather an honest, albeit fallible, attempt to be the best stewards possible of the resources God has entrusted into our hands.David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159466001648976052006-09-28T12:53:00.000-05:002006-09-28T12:53:00.000-05:00To answer the anonymous MK that just wrote and his...To answer the anonymous MK that just wrote and his three questions:<BR/>1. Why does it have to be either or - why not both and. Part of this is the tension between the reposnsive versus non responsive fields. In addition - who says that Southern Baptist have to be the ones to reach each of these - I am delighted if we are - but what if by staying in Brazil and extra 20 years we mobilized and trained and motivatd a contingent of Brazilian missionaries that would go everywhere and impact far greater than maybe the IMB could merely because they were not from Amaerica. In the Muslim country I work in - people from other countries in the non-aligned movement often can make greater strides than Americans that are looked on with suspicion. If we are not so concered for getting the credit ourselves for evangelizing these other groups - and don;t mind if others ge tthe credit - then why not stay in some of these other countries and help them sevelop a vision for the world.<BR/>2.When I went through the process great emphasis was put on sense of call - and suddenly it has nto become so important anymore. We can uproot and spend several huindred thousand dollars trying to get you to learn a much more difficult language which at your advance age you might not be able to learn and sepnd thousands of dollars moving you. Why not leave the person where he feels called do and then take the extra money to send someone to the other place. <BR/>2. I am not sure if an exit strategy is needed - maybe a reduction strategy. Using the criterion that the IM uses we should re-assign most of our home misiosnaries and also send most people living in many part of the south to other places. Using your second quesiotn - why not just do away with individualism altoether and sense of call and instead just send eveyr pastor to what we feel the greatest need is. In the wolrd we live in - there are few coutnries where I personally believe we need an exit strategy - and possibly maybe we need to be inspiring some of them to sned misiosnaries to the US. I currently know of three copoes with the board who are looking at resigning and raising their own support and then returning independently. What will happen now as has happened in the past is that their church will most likely dip into cooperative program funds and Lottie MOon funds to support their home grown misisonaries and then IMB misiosnaries will suffer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159407536812044752006-09-27T20:38:00.000-05:002006-09-27T20:38:00.000-05:00MK,I have heard many similar complaints to the one...MK,<BR/><BR/>I have heard many similar complaints to the ones you are voicing. Great pain is clearly evident in your writing. There has certainly been a great amount of hurt and misunderstanding in places that used to be the main grounds for IMB mission work (I witnessed that this summer in Brazil and have heard stories from retired missionaries serving in South America). On the other hand, I personally know other missionaries from Central America that see the importance in the shift in focus for the IMB and are quite supportive of the New Directions. I sympathize with your concerns of the growing nature of Islam around the world (I am sitting in a Panera Bread only 2 miles away from a gigantic mosque in Texas that was just opened last year). However, I appeal to you to think about three questions:<BR/><BR/>1. What about all the millions of people who live near mosques in places where there was no local Christian population to even make a stand at all (whether that is in Europe, North Africa, or Asia)? Do they not deserve the possibility of hearing the gospel and to grow in the faith?<BR/><BR/>2. How much weight should be given to what God shows those in authority over us with regards to His call? I know that this is not in vogue in our contemporary induavidualistic society.<BR/><BR/>3. Should we ever consider such a thing as an "exit strategy"? The idea is that we train up leaders so that we "work ourselves out of a job." At what point, do the local believers need to be the experts for reaching their country? (FYI, i do not think that the IMB obviously did not do a very good job in developing and implementing an "exit strategy" in the traditional mission fields.)<BR/><BR/>I am so sorry that your family has had to go through this whole experience.<BR/><BR/>Another IMB MKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159391583744923752006-09-27T16:13:00.000-05:002006-09-27T16:13:00.000-05:00MK,I do not think I clearly came out and said they...MK,<BR/><BR/>I do not think I clearly came out and said they were "exaggerating their concerns." I did say that I do not believe the evidence they present is sufficient to prove their case. And I also said that many of the concerns they mention are only really concerns if you take a certain view of interpretation of Scripture and missionary strategy, with which I do not agree.<BR/><BR/>I will agree that the testimony you give does add some legitimacy to the argument that not everyone on the field has been happy with New Directions, and some have gone through a lot of grief as a result.David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159389816847187142006-09-27T15:43:00.000-05:002006-09-27T15:43:00.000-05:00David, you said, "I don’t really feel qualified or...David, <BR/>you said, <BR/>"I don’t really feel qualified or in a legitimate position to become an arbitrator or sounding board for specific cases on the mission field."<BR/><BR/>My point was not to use you as a sounding board or an arbitrator. In your lengthy rebuttal of Eitel, Patterson, and Hadaway, you repeatedly made the point that they were exaggerating their concerns. I merely wanted to inform you that I have personally found some of their critiques to be VERY true. <BR/><BR/>I abhor their attempt to narrow the parameters of what an IMB missionary should look like. I abhor their attempt to take us back to the day of landmarkism (I had Patterson for Systmatic Theology, I know of what I speak). <BR/><BR/>But on the other hand, Rankin and his staff have a heavy hand on the IMB and have instituted strategies that have in effect destroyed the ministries of missionaries. How many? No one knows. But I know of some first hand. In your own testimony you did not begin IMB, because of their quota system. Hopefully you will be able to stay where the Lord has called you and not have to suffer what my parents went through: While on "home assignment" be told that they were not allowed to go back unless it was to ship their things to another place. They shipped them home. Now in a place where the Saudi's have built a mosque and have sent missionaries, we have no missionary because according to New Directions, one should not be there. <BR/><BR/>David, I am saying that there is wrong in both camps. <BR/><BR/>MKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159388944191997902006-09-27T15:29:00.000-05:002006-09-27T15:29:00.000-05:00David, If you started to get more stories like thi...David, <BR/><BR/>If you started to get more stories like this, instead of "moderating" them, maybe you should see that this is not the case of isolated problems but recurring issues. <BR/><BR/>MKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159380238274739172006-09-27T13:03:00.001-05:002006-09-27T13:03:00.001-05:00“Torn”,I am truly sorry for what happened to your ...“Torn”,<BR/><BR/>I am truly sorry for what happened to your parents. Since I have not been all around the world, and interviewed missionaries, it is hard for me to know whether what you are describing is really a reflection of “systemic problems” or rather, specific incidents in specific contexts with specific local leadership. I do know that New Directions involved a lot of change for everyone, and that change is not always easy. I would hate to think, though, as you say, that for calling attention to what they felt to be problems on the field, your parents were really “branded as trouble-makers, marked and then driven off the field.” If that is the case, I find it hard to think that Dr. Rankin and the higher level leaders in Richmond would have approved.<BR/><BR/>In any case, I don’t really feel qualified or in a legitimate position to become an arbitrator or sounding board for specific cases on the mission field. If I started getting a lot more comments like this, I would probably have to start being a lot more selective in my comment moderation. I think the best place to address these type of concerns is probably “in-house.”<BR/><BR/>God bless you,<BR/><BR/>DavidDavid Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159380231357813522006-09-27T13:03:00.000-05:002006-09-27T13:03:00.000-05:00WHOOPS!!!I had Jerry Corbaley's blog, referring to...WHOOPS!!!<BR/><BR/>I had Jerry Corbaley's blog, referring to unknown tongues, in mind when I commented about rebuttals. <B>NOT</B> this one.Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159380027934469802006-09-27T13:00:00.000-05:002006-09-27T13:00:00.000-05:00I had lunch yesterday with a missionary who left t...I had lunch yesterday with a missionary who left the IMB over all the things that have been going on. IMO, it was in accordance with his principles, which I find to be sound.<BR/><BR/>We should not mistake a lack of rebuttal as anyone's inability. My pastor often says "A bobcat can beat a skunk any day of the week, but it's not worth the stink".<BR/><BR/>Notably absent in all the stuff I read is the acknowledgment that only the Holy Spirit can perpetuate and prosper and guard the Church, on the foreign mission field, and nobody seems to have missed His involvement so far. Is it any wonder there's controversy?Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159378357659703632006-09-27T12:32:00.000-05:002006-09-27T12:32:00.000-05:00I hurt for the MK who wrote the post on your blog ...I hurt for the MK who wrote the post on your blog - asI too have heard the same things over and over again. In the last week I have received emails form three misisonaries facing the same situation. Those who have spoken out feel threatened,ostracized, or are retaliated against when it comes budget time, evaluation time, or juts in other ways. Apparently in Europe this is not the case and therefore you should feel fortunate not to have to face this situaiotn - however in many areas this is not true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159377392653114162006-09-27T12:16:00.000-05:002006-09-27T12:16:00.000-05:00David,You make some very interesting points. I ag...David,<BR/><BR/>You make some very interesting points. I agree with you that the "Fort Worth camp" makes a very interesting assumption by equating SC's with a pastoral role. This is either an assumption made on their part or a political power play (I would not rule this out). I am inclined in this situation to assume that it is merely an assumption which would be consistent with their view of chapel here at SWBTS. In the way in which chapel is conducted at SWBTS, it is obvious that Dr. Patterson views it as "church" at least in a functional sense and must be governed as such (I would disagree with him on this because it would be a sorry church if all it did was hold three services every week!!!). I think that the Fort Worth camp is fundamentally mistaken in the duties of the SC which are primarily administrative including mobilization, coordination of projects, and the strategic placement of personnel so as to have have their greatest impact for the Kingdom.<BR/><BR/>I really appreciate your quoting "Stepchild." He seems to capture the 'missiological illiteracy' that exists in our churches today (including, sadly, among the clergy). This exposes the poor job that seminaries are actually doing in the educational process EVEN/ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE SEEKING THE ALL REVERED M.DIV. DEGREE (I do not wish to elaborate here on the shortcomings of the current Seminary program). I think that the IMB/SBC should really step up their efforts to inform churches of mission work and how they can/should participate in an effort to alleviate this issue.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your openness and willingness to engage such important issues,<BR/><BR/>SWBTS StudentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159375452478443102006-09-27T11:44:00.000-05:002006-09-27T11:44:00.000-05:00David, I feel so torn regarding this issue. On on...David, <BR/><BR/>I feel so torn regarding this issue. On one hand, I lament the attempt of those to narrow what it means to be SBC and the move toward exclusion of those who don't measure up to the standards that are dictated from Ft. Worth. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, as an MK, I saw first-hand what New Directions did to my parents, (ran them off the mission field). My parents are very conservative, BF&M 2000 agreement, non-tongues, (ie pass the Ft. Worth tests). Yet they experienced under the Rankin regime a trend toward centralization of authority, and iniatives increasingly being Richmond driven rather than field-driven. When they questioned New Directions as it was taught to them (fuzzy doctrine, 3 women meeting in a house called a church, etc...) they were branded as trouble-makers, marked and then driven off the field. <BR/>While on "home assignment" they were told they could not go back to the place God had called them to, that they had to go somewhere else. At their age, after so many years of faithful service, they were told to learn a new language and go to a new place. <BR/><BR/>The IMB leadership under Rankin has become in many ways heavy-handed. They formulate the plan and you better follow it or there are repercussions. <BR/><BR/>I have talked to many missionaries and friends of our family, that have been on the field for many years who also have experineced the same thing. Most play the game, fill out the reports, nod their heads, and then continue on in trying to follow the Spirit's leadership. They definitly do not feel that they can dialogue about what is handed down from Richmond, to do so would cause them to be branded and marginalized. <BR/><BR/>Don't want to hurt my parents any further, so I will remain anonymous. <BR/><BR/>TornAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159366425435510742006-09-27T09:13:00.000-05:002006-09-27T09:13:00.000-05:00David,I pray you consider the source of these anon...David,<BR/><BR/>I pray you consider the source of these anonymous comments. I see some comments as not coming from Brother or Sisters in Christ. I know your earthly Father would have taken a stand on some of things that are happening in the SBC.<BR/><BR/>In His NameAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159356625888966712006-09-27T06:30:00.000-05:002006-09-27T06:30:00.000-05:00Anonymous,I think you make some valid points, and ...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I think you make some valid points, and I respect your opinion. Hopefully, the idea of needing to be afraid of reprisals from the IMB for expressing your opinion is unfounded. Dr. Rankin has specifically written me: "I would want any of our missionaries to feel the freedom to speak out and voice their convictions without fear of reprisal."<BR/><BR/>In regards to Jerry Corbaley's blog, I sent in a comment about 5 or 6 days ago, and am still waiting for it to be posted.David Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159353986804392172006-09-27T05:46:00.000-05:002006-09-27T05:46:00.000-05:00One final thing - to answer Wade - if I had the ti...One final thing - to answer Wade - if I had the time I could write you an entire book on the issues that are pervasvive throughout at least four regions that I have familiarity - but God has not called me to do that.<BR/> David - it is that same "cookie" cutter mentality that is the problem at the IMB - if youare not using "house groups" and shunning the traditional church - then you are not a good missionary. Our pre-furlough evaluation form in our region has the misisonary evaluated on their effectiveness in planting house groups. I applaud those who can and do use house groups effectively. However when you live in a culture where it is not usual or even culturally appropriate ot have people in your home and then you are told that you are NOT to use your own home - then what are you to do. <BR/> Finally using Wade's logic - Jerry Corbaley posted an excellent blog on glossolalia a week ago and no one has bothers to respond to the excellent points that he made. So maybe to quote Wade:<BR/>The silence from anyone attempting to rebut is deafening.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion it is because rebuttal is impossibleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159351022769448632006-09-27T04:57:00.000-05:002006-09-27T04:57:00.000-05:00David, My colleague - you make some valid point...David,<BR/> My colleague - you make some valid points however I think that you may also reflect the differences that can exist between different regions of the world. In the region where I serve all of the problems mentioned and more exist. In my regional group - there is wide dissatisfaction because of many of these issues and more. There is a sense of fear that anyone who speaks out will "pay" in the long run and so people talk quitely among themselves. Obviously in your area things are different - but I do think that your "rebuttal" so to speak reflects only your region - whereas I could write an affirmaiotn that would be quite reflective of my region as well. I would tend to trust the persepctive of Dr. Eitel, Patterson and Reynolds because I know thay have had contact with many IMB personnel from across the world - not jsut Europe. I know of several people myself who have written Dr. Patterson directly askign that their anonymity be protected. And in that respoect I find something very unhealthy in the IMB that such an attitude of fear exists that people to not feel the freedom to discuss these issues openly. Actually I am not sure if blogging is the way to deal with any of these issues any more than it has become a means to divide many churches recently including two very prominent ones in Memphis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159315475711864062006-09-26T19:04:00.000-05:002006-09-26T19:04:00.000-05:00David,Solid my friend.Very, very solid.The silence...David,<BR/><BR/>Solid my friend.<BR/><BR/>Very, very solid.<BR/><BR/>The silence from anyone attempting to rebut is deafening.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion it is because rebuttal is impossible.wadeburleson.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712009938843809657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159248880579118662006-09-26T00:34:00.000-05:002006-09-26T00:34:00.000-05:00David,Well, I just visited the other blog to see i...David,<BR/><BR/>Well, I just visited the other blog to see if there was a response to your post and to say that I felt any less than to vomit would be an understatement. Lately it has been very hard for me to control my tongue but I know that if I speak my mind, I am no different that them [those who writing unbecoming comments]. People all over the world are watching these blogs and our dialog. You keep it clean and for that I am thankful. I am also thankful that you chose to post this because I nor my pastor back home would have known otherwise. Oh to the day when we realise we are not called to be liberal or conservative but children of the King. I see a people blinded by arrogance and filled with hate, and it scares me. It breaks my heart to sit in another country, ministering and see my home so torn. I love the SBC and if it were not so I would not be a part of it. It tears at my soul to watch. If only our hearts would break so that we would fall upon our knees crying to the Heavens, we could look past ourselves and hear the voice of our great Creator.michttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01760452447058001899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159215003732057882006-09-25T15:10:00.000-05:002006-09-25T15:10:00.000-05:00Very well done, David.Very well done, David.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01568650603425594448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159158002444035562006-09-24T23:20:00.000-05:002006-09-24T23:20:00.000-05:00David,May the Holy Spirit continue to guide and pr...David,<BR/>May the Holy Spirit continue to guide and protect you as stand for the Truth. Thanks for writing this post. <BR/><BR/>Jerry Corbaley,<BR/>You can e-mail David by getting his e-mail address in his profile.<BR/><BR/>In His Name Wayne SmithWayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-1159108290335321522006-09-24T09:31:00.000-05:002006-09-24T09:31:00.000-05:00David,Could you email me?corbaley@sbcglobal.netTha...David,<BR/><BR/>Could you email me?<BR/><BR/>corbaley@sbcglobal.net<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Jerry Corbaleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03791415692798309332noreply@blogger.com