tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post8164292707551233963..comments2023-06-02T05:56:55.748-05:00Comments on Love Each Stone: The "Conservative Resurgence" and the "Baptist Renaissance"David Rogershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11701934251748260267noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-49775064673634063542008-05-07T22:43:00.000-05:002008-05-07T22:43:00.000-05:00I've been listening to Baptist missionaries talk a...I've been listening to Baptist missionaries talk about their churches in all these far-off places for years. I keep asking myself if it actually matters that they would look "Baptist" tp an observer or not, and my answer keeps comingback, "NO." Would I not fit with the Renaissance crowd? <BR/>I've already decided it would be awfully fake of me to work up to being proud of my Baptist-ness since the guilt of my sins and the Love of Christ seem to be muh bigger concerns.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974834423398011393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-3680376969751930372007-01-23T15:05:00.000-06:002007-01-23T15:05:00.000-06:00Tim (and volfan),
I don't see them "deciding" any...Tim (and volfan),<br /><br />I don't see them "deciding" anything but for themselves. If the matters at the IMB or more recently at SWBTS are not important issues everyone is free to decide that on their own and ignore Wade and Ben. I know they do not set any agendas for myself and neither do I suspect they set any for you.<br /><br />It's kinda like our state Baptist paper here. I usually skip 3/4 of what is written because it is not germane to my ministry. Anyone and everyone is free to ignore Wade and Ben and me and you. No one is <i>setting</i> anyone else's agenda.<br /><br />But let me close by agreeing with anonymous that David's post here is quite excellent and his closing question quite relevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-60828694872067069542007-01-23T14:29:00.000-06:002007-01-23T14:29:00.000-06:00Tim G,
Both Ben and Wade have been on the wrong e...Tim G,<br /><br />Both Ben and Wade have been on the wrong end of a certain person's Machiavellian tactics that likely would make Machiavelli himself blush.<br /><br />To that end, they (rightly or wrongly) obviously believe that unity is better achieved in a convention where those are exposed who intentionally foment disunity in order to bring about unanimity.<br /><br />And yes, I realize that they (Ben in particular), seem to have adopted similar "ends justify the means" tactics. But you can't really blame Ben for that, since he learned the the master.<br /><br />Of course, none of this has anything to do with David's post, which was stellar. IMHO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-69594550817253334982007-01-22T20:53:00.000-06:002007-01-22T20:53:00.000-06:00amen to what tim said again.
volfan007amen to what tim said again.<br /><br />volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-36202606930455762552007-01-22T18:44:00.000-06:002007-01-22T18:44:00.000-06:00Paul,
The problem I see is that Wade and Ben are ...Paul,<br /><br />The problem I see is that Wade and Ben are deciding what is "dissension" and what is not. What makes them experts?Winning Truth w/Tim Guthriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09038540943011433268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-20794116801731493762007-01-22T14:43:00.000-06:002007-01-22T14:43:00.000-06:00David,
Excellent, once again.
Tim and volfan,
I...David,<br /><br />Excellent, once again.<br /><br />Tim and volfan,<br /><br />I would submit that some of us do not view Wade and others as "creating" dissension so much as revealing areas of dissension that already exist. It was not Wade that created a policy a year ago more narrowly specifying who does and doesn't now qualify for missions service. It wasn't Wade who formally established a policy at SWBTS that is more restrictive than our confessional statement. It wasn't Wade who led the charge to deny Dr. Klouda tenure based on her gender, after she had already been hired with full awareness of her female gender. Neither Wade nor anyone else has done those things. Those are all "new" things within the SBC. Perhaps the better question is to ask those who have made those recent changes in how the SBC operates/cooperates why they have seen a need for these changes which are, in my opinion, what is truly causing the dissension.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-41911786260353346022007-01-22T14:17:00.000-06:002007-01-22T14:17:00.000-06:00Good post, David. Is it possible that God has a d...Good post, David. Is it possible that God has a desire and a plan to bring together Christians who believe in the grace of God beyond just the baptist denomination and that perhaps this is the beginning of just such a movement? I hate to be so outside the box, but it seems a hope worthy of having.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-75856746335970763252007-01-20T14:02:00.000-06:002007-01-20T14:02:00.000-06:00amen to what tim said.
volfan007amen to what tim said.<br /><br /><br />volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-34622261649017876922007-01-20T11:29:00.000-06:002007-01-20T11:29:00.000-06:00David,
I agree with much you stated. I would ask,...David,<br />I agree with much you stated. I would ask, why is it that some are follwoing a "takover" mentality by creating dissension and stirring debate which causes repeated media stinks?<br /><br />If the desire is to unify, why are Wade and Ben and a few others dividing?Winning Truth w/Tim Guthriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09038540943011433268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-41442805616216474032007-01-20T00:14:00.000-06:002007-01-20T00:14:00.000-06:00Great point, David. I believe that you are right o...Great point, David. I believe that you are right on here, as usual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-42891938199948978392007-01-18T23:28:00.000-06:002007-01-18T23:28:00.000-06:00David,
I haven't come across the "Baptist Renaiss...David,<br /><br />I haven't come across the "Baptist Renaissance" terminology before, but I believe that it aptly describes the situation. I have been truly amazed at how many educated, faithful people seem to put being a Baptist above anything else. I may be in the minority, but I give to support missions so people are led to faith in Jesus Christ, not to establish Baptist churches all over the world.Tim Sweatmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12207080258485611356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22575956.post-23869486289356944532007-01-17T22:11:00.000-06:002007-01-17T22:11:00.000-06:00David:
I have been a regular reader of your blog f...David:<br />I have been a regular reader of your blog for many months though I have never left a comment.<br />I deeply appreciate you and your perspectives about life in the SBC. I was deeply involved in the resurgence but became more and more disillusioned as we moved further from the main issues. For the past ten plus years I have not been involved in SBC life. I made a choice to seek out those who wanted to maximize our common ground and minimize our differences for kingdom causes. I pray for men and women like you. I pray that God will continue to give you wisdom and clear direction. I look forward to your future postings.<br /><br />Blessings,<br /><br />Rick White<br />Senior Pastor<br />The Peoples Church<br />Franklin, TNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com